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Did Violetta ever get around to telling Agatha about her battle with Steelgarter? It doesn't sound like it, from Agatha's way of speaking in the first panel. Bkharvey (talk) 06:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I'd assume she did per this commment at Albia's ball. Fred1740 (talk) 10:28, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Sword Sybils, Brek'kah Stones, Yajennna. I'm beginning to wonder who the Barbarians really are. Doug Relyea (talk) 11:48, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

"Savage? Exotic? I never thought of us as uncivilized..." "You know, that's what I always used to say to visitors to my land!" PhoenixTalion (talk) 16:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Actual high priestesses! Just ones that the Boys are unlikely to have ever met. Zibbiz (talk) 15:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
I dunno, Barry did know about Skifander. PhoenixTalion (talk) 16:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

If Ashtara is derived from Ishtar, it's very likely that Eshkigax is Ereshkigal, Sumerian goddess of the underworld. PhoenixTalion (talk) 16:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps another dark guise of The Lady of Sharp Crystal? Side note: Not the first time we've seen that Ashtara pose.

So maybe Steelgarter's blue hair is a dye-job to hide that it's really green.. --Geoduck42 (talk) 20:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

"My mother went into exile. Then, my father showed up. He met my mother, they had a lot of adventures -- Eventually, he helped my mother retake the throne." Klaus Wulfenbach? Could Zeetha and Gil be siblings? Besides the fact that Klaus would be quite able to do all that was just described, we know Klaus speaks Skiff, the language of Skifander ("Zur baken Skiff?!" "Kar! Mor baken Skiff!") , that he has a wife he hasn't seen in years , that he returned to Europa with a very small Gil on his back , that Klaus had to take steps to keep Gil alive, and that Klaus was concerned that someone with green hair might be sent to kill Gil. , and significantly that Klaus had left orders that one of Gil's legitimate titles was "Your highness." , suggesting Gil is an heir to a throne. Add to this that Gil and Zeetha appear to be close enough in age to be siblings. Plus plot! Seems plausible they could be siblings. TomNathoo

Just Me, I concur with all but your last. 'one of Gil's legitimate titles was "Your Highness" if the implication is he is heir to the throne of Skiffander. My personal opinion, he's not, as Skiffander is presented as a hereditary Matriarchy. I think Gil's 'Your Highness' is based on an Earthly inheritance by way of his Paternal Grandmother. What makes Gil dangerous to Skiffander is that a daughter sired by him would have a claim to the Skiffander throne, as legitimate as the claim by a daughter born to Zeetha. Instant Civil War. Doug Relyea (talk) 23:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
He doesn't need to be in line for the throne to be a Prince. The daughters of a monarch who requires a male heir are still Princesses, and their children don't have precedence over their brother(s) or his children. It's been hinted Gil was in danger due to cultural beliefs involving twins, not to avoid a Man In The Iron Mask situation. PhoenixTalion (talk) 07:00, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
I can't think of a case that could be much worse than a Man in the Iron Mask situation, but I'm all ears. (or in this case, eyes.) One of the undercurrents is the situation with the Knights of Jove, Smoke Knights and the competition between the Stormvoraus and Blitzengaard factions for the Storm King position. And Martellus's claim is nowhere near that of someone who might be a twin of Tarvek. --Doug Relyea (talk) 13:31, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Welcome to the party pal! Gil and Zeetha as fraternal twins has been discussed on other sites much earlier. There was a Reddit session where the Foglios took questions. Someone asked about Skifander. Kaja said they are a matriarchal society. Phil said they don't like twins. Klaus most likely called himself a chump for letting Lucrezia get the better of him. There is a Deviant Art piece - "Children at play" - featuring Klaus holding a rather young Gil and Zeetha apart as they fight with wooden swords. Fred1740 (talk) 01:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
At a convention, someone asked Phil to sketch "Chump". He drew Klaus. And here is the Deviant Art link: www.deviantart.com/art/Children-at-Play-190992437 Fred1740 (talk) 02:24, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Are you sure about the attribution of the art? That doesn't look like Phil's work, and the signature isn't Phil's. Also, in a flashback Klaus is shown escaping through a gate with a swaddled infant, not a sword-capable toddler; that's presumably Gil and the escape is from Skifander. Scientician (talk) 13:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
I believe that Fred1740 was making two separate points. One is that it is said that Phil once drew "Chump" as Klaus at a convention (but we don't have that art by Phil). The other is that he also wanted to provide the link to the separate DeviantArt piece (from TheBlackCat-Gallery) that he had described in his previous comment. I don't think he intended to imply the DeviantArt piece was the one by Phil. But you are right that the non-canon DeviantArt piece has the children much older than they would have been. (For another point, Gil was so young that he has no memories of green haired females.) TomNathoo
The sketch of Chump was on Photobucket but the link no longer takes you to the picture. I included the Deviant Art piece to show that some of us caught on to Klaus being "Dad" to Gil and Zeetha a few years back. The picture is a joke, just like the ones of Darth Vader being a "Dad" to a young Luke and Leia. To the chain of evidence, you can add this page, fifth panel . Fred1740 (talk) 02:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
It's likely the "Chump" bit is a reference to John Carter of Mars, where the titular character becomes known as Virginia due to a misunderstanding of his introduction. PhoenixTalion (talk) 07:00, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
I see now that "the Professors have "leaked" a confirmation, mostly via book preorder bookplate sketches, that Klaus was also known as "Chump" while he was in Skifander, and therefore is Zeetha's father". TomNathoo
Yup. Just to flag it as a thing, per Girl_Genius:Speculation, wiki articles often have a corresponding Mad page for fan theories and predictions, intended to separate the fictional from the fanciful - if someone's dreamed it up at some point, it's hopefully documented there. It's GG, so sometimes the line between the two is a little hazy. One of my favorite Skifandrian Gil pointers (or at least I hope so) is that Small Gil hoped he was a Martian prince . Zibbiz (talk) 19:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

"My mother went into exile. Then, my father showed up. He met my mother..." That can't be quite right. We're all assuming Lucrezia sent Klaus to Skifander by mirror, right? But surely the Skifander mirror is in Skifander, not out in exile somewhere. No? Bkharvey (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

My thought is that Lucrezia just dumped him thru the mirror, expecting Klaus to be killed outright as an outlander. The turmoil and overthrow of Zeetha's Grandmother likely allowed Klaus to slip away during same and disappear into the Skifanderian Wilds. --Doug Relyea (talk) 13:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
I am not sure the Skifandrians are that hostile, even against men. They are human and still need to procreate and the expedition that found them, that Zeetha was sent away on wasn't attacked as far as we know, on the contrary. ANYONE with news of the outside world would likely be greeted quite happily! Indeed, Lucrezia likely didn't even want him dead, otherwise she wouldn't have bothered sending him through the mirror in the first place, but would've dealt with him then and there. She just wanted him out of the way and sending him through a mirror would've done the trick. They were inactive after all, she's arrogant and would likely assume (incorrectly) that he'd never make it back, or at least not in time to stop whatever she had planned. However, fully agreed that Zeetha's mother was likely in what you might call 'internal exile', that she didn't escape through the mirror. After all, again, the mirrors were inactive at that time, and it certainly doesn't sound as if her faction would've known exactly how to use them. Activation upon the arrival of Klaus would've caught everyone off-guard, but even so, he's obviously a ma.. pers.. constr.. someone with considerable abilities and resources, so he would've been able to make his escape. It's a great story too. He escapes into the hinterland, finds a lost princess, helps her regain her rightful throne, while falling in love and starting a family too! Him! The man who can be as ruthless as anyone who can still rightfully call himself 'good' if you squint the right way. The twins thing and the resultant threat to Gil would have been all the incentive he needed to find a way to return from where he'd come. Surely if anyone else had a way to reactivate a mirror, it would be him. If even your average wannabe Stormking can activate one, Klaus most certainly would be able to do that in, oh, two hours or so? Perhaps he gleaned something from whatever Lucrezia did to send him away, or having entered through one just made him realise activating the mirrors was a possibility. The thing I am not clear on however is, does Klaus know Zeetha exists? The few times they've met or he's talked about her with Gil he mostly treats her as a threat to Gil. A man of his intellect should certainly see the similarity in age and he should've known she existed, after all, them being twins was the whole problem in the first place. But at no point does he try to inform either Zeetha or Gil that they might be siblings, or to find out if that is indeed the case. Even Zeetha would likely be put off balance for a fraction of a second after a revelation like that. Although, obviously, the writers have clear incentive to keep this a secret for as long as possible, so perhaps they are finding ways to keep him from sharing that tidbit until it is needed for the plot.. TheCinC (talk) 16:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Regarding whether Klaus knows that Zeetha exists, I read "I'll explain everything when you return." "…Everything?" "Everything." as Klaus planning to break the news to Gil that he has a sister and mother. Zibbiz (talk) 16:28, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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