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Other side of the statue, and a lot more sealed rooms. I guess the waterfall ✣ is out of frame to the right. Is that Krosp in the top left? Zibbiz (talk) 05:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

It does look like Krosp climbing the wall. Argadi (talk) 09:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Not to mention, two others on the balconies seem to be bears. Bkharvey (talk) 21:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

We get the dot and line motif, but we don't see the head so we can't see if the status has a known face or a halo of shapes around the head. (Friday cliff-hanger.) Argadi (talk) 09:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I would think that if the face were someone of significance to the plot, we would have been shown it by now. The full length view ✣ of the statue has no halo.Fred1740 (talk) 10:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Or the face is specifically not being shown in order to avoid speculation of significance or if they will be a character. And as has been pointed out, Phil has a tendency to make a lot of characters look the same/similar, so it could introduce confusion. DLcygnet (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused about the sequence of events. Fred's cited page is from July, and yet the recent pages seem to suggest that they just found the statue by virtue of Agatha getting Higgs to clean off the disk. Bkharvey (talk) 21:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Agatha is pointing to the discovery of the doorways, not the statue. Zibbiz (talk) 01:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't believe it. The (headless) statue so clearly dominates the visual field that it's clearly what we're to understand as the thing Agatha is pointing to. Bkharvey (talk) 05:40, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree the statue is prominent, but we knew it was there. The green glowing circles that everyone’s cleaning off is, I think, what we’re supposed to be looking at. Zibbiz (talk) 06:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

PS Agatha is smiling, so it's probably not Lucrezia. Bkharvey (talk) 21:43, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

PPS Agatha still seems to be right outside the R-rated library, but there didn't used to be a huge statue right there, adding to my confusion. Bkharvey (talk) 21:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Continuity issue, big time. Unless dusting off the door labels did something to reality. Look again at he first view. Now Agatha is standing inside a circular railing which, M.C.Eschser like, appears to be a continuation of the first floor colonnade. I could accept that Agatha is not directly outside the "saucy romance" library but she's standing in an optical illusion. Fred1740 (talk) 22:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

While I’m the chief proponent of the Temporal Instability theory, I’m not sure this one is bad. Why can’t the Smut Hut be on the first floor colonnade? Zibbiz (talk) 01:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

No, Fred1740's right, it's pretty clearly supposed to be the same statue, and Phil screwed up a bunch of the details. --Geoduck42 (talk) 03:51, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm still unclear on what people think the problem is. I agree it's the same statue, just viewed from one level up. Perhaps I missed something that identified the specific location of the Smut Hut? Zibbiz (talk) 05:36, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Before Higgs kicks in the wall, they're in a clearing, not an ampitheater. Bkharvey (talk) 05:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I think the confusion is due to an abrupt mid page transition. My read was that the tea break on the ground next to the statue (panel 3 ✣ ) concludes with Higgs considering eating bugs, (he is a Jäger, after all), and by panel 4 of 2021-09-13 (Monday) ✣ , they’re now exploring one level up, where the Smut Hut is located. Zibbiz (talk) 06:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah, yes, that explains everything. Thanks. Bkharvey (talk) 06:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

If anything should be considered an "artistic liberty", it's panel 5 of 2021-09-13 (Monday) ✣ , which, based on where Agatha is pointing and Higgs is looking, should have some indication of the ampitheatre and statue in the background behind them. Instead, it looks kind of generic cavern-y, but the panel is crowded enough with characters that Phil may have punted on trying to jam the statue in there. However, looking at the pencils on Patreon, this may actually be a coloring goof, where the curved shapes in the middle of the background were intended to be the statue, but got colored as cavern wall. The vertical line above Higgs' hat could be part of the statue's dot-line motif. Zibbiz (talk) 16:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

One, the Statue is on the ground floor where we see a colonnade and open spaces. There is NO RAILING ✣ around the statue. IF Agatha is standing beside the ONLY statue in the room then we should still see the colonnade. That makes the railing in the foreground blend into the colonnade in the background. There is no reason the saucy romance library can't be on the first floor as we have not been shown that area in the earlier panel. Two, possibly Phil engaged in "artistic license" and just rearranged the room - like he has done repeatedly for the layout of Mechanicburg. Fred1740 (talk) 18:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's some terminology that's getting me confused, but other than slightly wonky perspective/spacing (and the exact location of the waterfall) I see no major inconsistency between the room in 2021-07-26 (Monday) ✣ and 2021-09-17 (Friday) ✣ . Would you mind expanding on the differences a little? Zibbiz (talk) 20:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

You tell me where the railing/fence around the Statue came from. It is not there ✣ . Now there is a [[Chronology - Volume #|✣ ]]. There's a Template:GG li nk, just openings. The colonnade is replaced ✣ , apparently, by the railing/fence. There are no columns above the first floor in the first panel and no columns visible in the latest. You DON'T see that? Anyone else not seeing it? See the curved lines at the bottom of the panel? What are those? They sure looks like a continuation of the colonnade as a railing that Agatha is standing inside of next to the statue. Of course, there is artistic license taken as Agatha is leaning on the panel frame. Fred1740 (talk) 20:34, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I think more relevant is that the lights in the first and third galleries are now powered up compared to the prior full length view. Scientician (talk) 13:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Not powered up, just had thousands of years of dust and grime wiped off their faces. The statue was already lit up. Actually, that's amazing that the whole place still has power after so long. Even the castle only lasted a couple of decades running off of stored energy. Additionally, how did the locals know to wall off their knowledge so it would be pristine & preserved for Agatha to find it? Dun dun duuuuuun! DLcygnet (talk) 16:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Not really surprising, it's pretty clear that they had access to technology far beyond anything currently in Europa. As for the walling, it could be Time Travel Hijinks, or they were trying to preserve their knowledge for themselves, expecting to come back/recover/whatever someday. --Geoduck42 (talk) 19:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Even more relevant is that Agatha is leaning very heavily on the 4th wall XD; otherwise, what exactly are her shoulders and feet resting on? Certainly not the floor or the 1st mezzanine rail. Certainly not the wall they broke through or her full form wouldn't be visible.... Cut the guy with a broken shoulder some slack, guys. 1st and 3rd floors always had rails, they were just hard to see from a distance. The statue has always been in the middle of the room on a pedestal of sorts. The room they're in is on the far side from where they came in, likely near the waterfall - so it won't be in the more recent shot.

Spot the difference

Restarting this conversation with Fred so it doesn't mess with indenting. I don't see a railing or fence around the statue. I agree the perspective seems tighter/foreshortened in the second page, but I believe it's intended to be the same room. For the mystery curved lines, are you looking at the base of the statue? Here's what I see: There's the base under the statue, then, from bottom to top:

• ground floor with columns, water and rubble.
• first floor, with a short wall on the inside. Note that Higgs and the Swartzwalder's feet are not visible. Agatha is standing on this wall in the second image. Walled up marked doorways, location of the Smut Hut. No columns. With a certain suspension of disbelief, Agatha could be leaning on a stalactite, but it's more likely artistic license.
• Second floor, arches/doorways, but no markers. Some of the doorways are shown broken open in the first image, but largely unopened on the other side. No columns. Source of the waterfall.
• Third floor, with a short wall. More walled up doorways with markers. Krosp & a Swartzwalder are clearing markers on this floor in the second image. No columns.
• Fourth floor, only partially visible in the second image. Columns. They look like open windows in the first image, walls in the second image - this may be a coloring error.
• Roof

Zibbiz (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)