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Over on Patreon people were guessing, based on Tarvek leaning backward in the last panel, that Othar was getting in his face. But no, it's the other way around. Being as I am a Tarvek fan, I was pleased to see him get such a stirring line at the end of the page, but alas I don't get it. Why would the geisters kidnap other female sparks to process at this point? They know it's Agatha they were seeking, and they know the machine isn't going to work on anyone else. I can see why they might want to re-kidnap Agatha, but not anyone else. Also I'm not sure Tarvek is really entitled to the "I think" in panel 4, he knows darn well that's what was happening. Bkharvey (talk) 08:55, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

When Tarvek says "Don't let this happen again", I think he's speaking more broadly and generically, "let's clean up Europa so another would-be conqueror doesn't come along and inflict some new continent-wide horror." --Geoduck42 (talk) 11:04, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
The original Summoning Engine in Sturmhalten was faulty. "You and Wilhelm had it put together all wrong, dear. I'm surprised it worked at all." A fully operational Beacon Engine has more options: "All they need to do is call me into some other suitable vessel. I've expanded the parameters so I have ever so many choices now." Zibbiz (talk) 14:30, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Of course, Lu may have been lying to Zola, but I don't think we have any evidence to that effect. Zibbiz (talk) 14:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
I don't actually disagree with you, but someone else might point out that her lips were moving. I suppose that's more Zola herself, though. ⚙Zarchne (talk) 16:06, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
The other thing Lu said to Zola was she wanted the Geisters to "gather a few more suitable girls"... I think she wanted to make LOTS of Lu copies... and Zola knows it. So there may be MANY copies of Lu directing the "polar lord's invasion" BoyfootBear (talk) 13:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Bang: "Yeah, but then, why aren't we up to our ears in Lucrezias?" Gil: "Maybe we are. How would we know?" Although, as someone on Reddit pointed out, maybe there just aren't many suitable candidates, since Wilhelm and the Geisters have killed the majority off. Zibbiz (talk) 17:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Bkharvey. Tarvek's "I think" in panel 4 bothers me. Perhaps he didn't know that so many young female Sparks were killed by his father and the Geisters, but he does now. (Unless he doesn't believe Eotain's story, but he seems to be taking everything she's saying as gospel.) I suppose it still isn't certain that this was the primary reason for the lack of female Sparks in Agatha's generation, but it seems likely enough at this point that, to me at least, an "I think" really isn't warranted. 🔧
We know the Geisters didn't trust Aaronev (nearly as much as they should have), and naturally Tarvek less so, so he may have not known that they were specifically looking for the spark or whatever. And he's not taking Eotain's story as necessarily true, he's translating for her and adding commentary. It might be worth mentioning Anevka's (possibly more than rhetorical) question about whether Tarvek was aware of the number of girls placed in the Engine. And he did spend time on Castle Wulfenbach, so he doesn't know the absolutely full extent for what that's worth. ⚙Zarchne (talk) 18:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
It seems to me that Tarvek is accepting what Eotain is saying as he translates it; otherwise, why does he make his little speech in the final panel? -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 23:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
He does have some personal experience which jibes with what she is saying. Although Anevka hung around for a while. ⚙Zarchne (talk) 16:06, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Anevka seems to know more about the whole business than Tarvek. Fred1740 (talk) 01:35, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Also, since this has been going on, according to Tarvek (on Friday's page ), since before Klaus returned, the first girls killed could have been toddlers. I suppose it depends on how long it took Tarvek's father and the Priestesses to reassemble the summoning engine into a usable state, but the first victims must have been quite young. However, possibly aside from some of the thumbnail portraits in panel 3, this page makes it seem as if the victims were all young adults. I suppose I can see why the Foglios don't want to emphasize the child murder aspect of this part of the story in a comic that is supposed to be roughly PG-13 age appropriate, but it seems a little misleading to me. Or am I wrong about the timing? -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 16:32, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Dunno about the timing, but toddlers who aren't Agatha or Gil haven't manifested as sparks yet, so the Geisters would have been well advised to wait for them to be adolescents, at least, so they know whom to kidnap. Bkharvey (talk) 16:52, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Of course! I was forgetting that most Sparks don't break through until their teens or later. (Darn senile old brain!) Thanks! That does beg the question of what the Geisters were doing for the first few years they were in the shadow world as far as looking for the Holy Child goes. -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 23:08, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Eh, they were looking especially for sparks, but that doesn't mean they only kidnapped sparks. Any cute blonde would be a candidate. ⚙Zarchne (talk) 16:06, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Also Aaronev put his own daughter in the machine, so somehow they got the idea that a potential spark would work... I guess she could have broken through already...or her mother is another Mongfish... or close enough...we do know (I think) that Tarvek was a product of some kind of Mongfish engineering... anyway, it's possible that in their desperation they kidnapped girls from sparky families as well. ⚙Zarchne (talk) 16:15, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
As far as timing goes, the Foglios may have forgotten their own words, but, hey, who's counting? Me, but I just irritate people by doing so. Anyway, Klaus returns to Transylvania shortly after Bill and Barry vanish. That's three years after the attack on Castle Heterodyne. Someone can check, but I thought the novel has Barry returning with four year old Agatha. So, no matter how you slice it, Agatha could not be kidnapped from the Geisterdamen before Klaus returns. if she was taken when she was four, then the Geisters show up two years after Klaus has returned which is about when he shows up in Mechanicsburg. I used the time of Carson's previous session with the Castle as that point. You can double check my math but that was fourteen years earlier in the story at that point. Fred1740 (talk) 01:35, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm not checking your math here; I'm not sure how this affects it, but I was under the impression that it was a year or two after the Boys disappeared that Klaus returned. Things didn't descend into total chaos until after they left (eliminating some of the sparks might even have helped — although there was government collapse), and it takes some time to get as bad as it got. ⚙Zarchne (talk) 19:42, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
This is where things get murky as the Foglios don't have a storyboard or keep a timeline. As Kaja has recently admitted, when stuck they come to this site. I went through a rant a while back about timing. In short, using information in the story, both comic and novel, Klaus was missing about 6 and a half years. He was missing for 3 years and 4 months before the attack (2 yrs and 3 months before Klaus Barry is born and one year and one month to K.B.s death in the attack), so he returned about two months after Bill and Barry disappeared. Agatha could not be younger that two at that time. There was a big battle in Geisterland to take her. Tarvek said the Geisters arrived before Klaus. After he is in Europa for two years, he goes to Mechanicsburg. Agatha is four. Barry is back in Europa somewhere with her. Carson would have likely consulted the Castle during Klaus' visit, possibly to have the Castle co-operate. As for the Foglios attention to timing, the first printing of their first novel said Klaus was gone for four years. Second printing was changed to six years. Unless everything is scrambled in this story by time travel and there is no order whatsoever in all events. So maybe I should just stop trying.

I'm curious to see whether Othar will progress from his Spark Serial Killer monomania - while he'd be against Lucrezia being resummoned, ostensibly, hundreds of Sparks being murdered is a positive for him, although he may have reservations about whether any non-Sparks were caught up in the process. Zibbiz (talk) 15:05, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Not so much! Zibbiz (talk) 14:57, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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