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Well, no real surprise at this development, but for some reason I'm vaguely disappointed the Foglios went this route. Maybe we'll at least now learn how Queens generate the needed power for all of this. --Geoduck42 (talk) 04:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Will be interesting to learn of how Colette achieved her second break-thru. In somewhat less than 3 weeks in-story. Doug Relyea (talk) 04:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I don't believe she has: I do not see spinning items around her head - the halo. I could be wrong, though. 12:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
There is an example of a Queen without the spinning objects. The Queen Sianna seen on this page and this page Objects did appear but only when invoked, I think.Doug Relyea (talk) 13:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Appearance can be deceiving. She may be trying to create the illusion that she has had a second breakthrough. Bosda Di'Chi 14:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I've speculatively added the second-stage spark annotation in today's Chronology - we can always change it later. Zibbiz (talk) 14:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
If it is the second-level spark, the breakthrough was almost immediate: eyes glowing, flying . So no further narrative time is needed. I'm going to guess that it is an interaction with the city systems that pulled her beyond the normal spark. She didn't achieve it on her own... but then neither did Agatha, but by drinking of the Dyne and electrification. And Lucrezia refers to Albia's energy source, so perhaps Paris sits on a similar font.⚙Zarchne (talk) 22:20, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
If she is a Queen, I still predict she's feeding off the Sparky citizens of Paris in the same way that Aliba uses her "Garden". -Geoduck42 (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
So, she's not mad, just in Seine? Zibbiz (talk) 01:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I thought that was Crazy Eddie? Doug Relyea (talk) 01:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

_ Regarding Colette's breakthrough, maybe the real question is 'how far did she breakthrough?' when she did. None of the other Sparks were directly connected to a power source when they broke through. And I wonder what really was in this bucket last frame . Doug Relyea (talk) 16:15, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

"Outside Information" note[]

Spread note goof: "Monday and Wednesday's pages are two halves of what will be a double-page spread in the published book." That should be "Friday's and Monday's". I hope this confusion didn't extend to which page (even versus odd) on which to start a two-page print spread. Also, for some reason, the word "Wednesday" is styled a bit small due to "<span class="style11">Wednesday</span>'s" in the HTML code. —Undomelin 12:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out; it was a good goof catch. I would guess that the styled span applied to "Wednesday" is due to copying and pasting between applications that try to preserve visible formatting by adding html tags behind the scenes. -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 15:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Administrative note[]

I am leaning towards changing the setting on this wiki that would prevent anyone from editing it unless they were signed in (that is, they would have to have a Fandom account). There have been a couple of changes recently that seem to have been well intentioned, but were partly or wholly wrong and it is frustrating to have no way of contacting the individuals responsible to offer them an explanation of why their edit was undone or altered, or advice on how to make edits that better adhere to the way things are done on this wiki. 🔧

The two cases I am referring to are an anonymous user at IP# who "corrected" Gens D'Armes to Gendarmy in the Paris article and changed Colette's name to "Colette Voltaire Cinq" in the infobox for her article. The first "correction" is wrong primarily because it changes text directly taken from the comic, but also the term meant was presumably "gendarmerie" ("gendarmy" isn't actually a word, as far as I know). In the case of Colette's name, an explanation for the change was added as a new "Speculation" section, claiming that Colette is sometimes addressed as "Colette Voltaire Cinq". I changed Colette's name back in the infobox, but left the new section because I am not sure this never happened, but since no reference was given, I am also not sure it did. 🔧

Just for the reference, Martellus calls them the Gendarmy Fred1740 (talk) 01:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the reference. -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 03:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

If this wiki is restricted to only allow edits by signed-in users, then I could put my long-winded notes on the talk pages of the responsible parties, rather than boring the entire audience of these discussion pages to tears with them. Does anyone have any strong feelings against making this change (or logical reasons for not doing so)? -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I endorse this moving, providing it does not interfere with new fans/members looking at what is already here. KEEP GG GROWING! Bosda Di'Chi 16:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I started editing without an account, and then switch to an account once I realized how much I wanted to do. (I'm still at the "no account" stage with Wikipedia, editing occasionally.) The extra barrier to making an account for the first edit may have kept me away. Argadi (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
It used to be possible to communicate with users without accounts with a talk page for the IP address, but that options appears to be gone. Argadi (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I can see why it was removed. The likelihood of anonymous users bothering to look at their IP#-based talk page was remote, it seems to me. Especially so since, not being signed on, there was no way to alert them that their talk page had been updated. -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 19:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I'd rather keep things open for now, to encourage folks to join. As a point of order, having gone through 2-2 lately, Gendarmy is canon: Tweedle: "Eek! Monsieur Machines! It's the Gendarmy!" , and I have a vague memory of "Cinq" showing up somewhere, although I can't find it right now. Zibbiz (talk) 17:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Found it, or at least one instance thereof. Library lift attendant: "And- we were warned to expect young Mademoiselle Voltaire Cinq and the Lady Heterodyne?" Zibbiz (talk) 17:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, Zibbiz! Dear me, dear me! I am getting old and forgetful lately. (Well, I was already old.) The problem with the "Gendarmy" edit was that it was made in a sentence that only had a link to the page where Malik refers to "Gens D'Armes". If the anonymous user had added a reference to the page you linked to, then I wouldn't have undone it. Since there are two different versions of what are likely to be names for the same thing in the comic, I think it is important to keep both, so I would have fixed the edit to do that, which I will do now. -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 19:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Note that I'm not claiming that "Gendarmy" is the only option - Malek uses "Gens d'armes" . We can put this down to translation, nickname, Tweedle being bad at French, or the Professors misremembering which pun they went with. Zibbiz (talk) 17:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Or we could postulate that "Gendarmy" is an attempt to translate a joking student name for "Gens D'Armes", since Tweedle seems to be reverting to his student days in that scene. -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 19:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Oops! I missed that you already raised the nickname possibility. Old, senile, and blind! -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
...Talk about being too long-winded; resolve conflict by just pasting... Well, "Gendarmy" and "cinq" sound familiar to me... enough that I was surprised with the recent usage of a more correct French term rather than the pun (à la "Awful Tower"). Of course if you don't already know where they are then you're going to want a citation. Or at least a footnote that it may be sometimes styled thus. Google turned up a use in an Archive of Our Own story. Even in a footnote the "fact" template seems a good idea (unless the story is adequate reference? but would be nice to find where it was used in actual comic). Of course if you remembered it, you would let it go—it's not like a citation is required for every square in the Name Game. In any case, the article Talk: page is appropriate for long-winded discussion, is it not? So I would say I have at least a moderate feeling against the restriction. ...As long as the current level of vigilance is maintained...😍 ⚙Zarchne (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
It was, I think my attempt at a French spin on Martellus's Gendarmy which I spelt wrong anyway. Should have been Gendarmée not Gendarmeé. Doug Relyea (talk) 01:46, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi from Belgium. Gendarmy sounds like pretty typical Franglais actually, someone starts saying either Gendarmes or Gendarmerie but when they get to the part that is the same as an English word that means roughly the same people can slip back to their own language. 09:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Continuing to allow anonymous edits[]

This turned out to be a very useful discussion. There are now two more small nuggets of information added to the wiki, which is excellent, and I have been convinced that continuing to allow anonymous edits is the right thing to do. (I am still going to strongly encourage contributors to this wiki to create accounts, however.) After all, if the anonymous editor I was complaining about had decided not to make the edits because they didn't want to create an account, the new information wouldn't be in the wiki. 🔧

From now on I will post any questions I have regarding anonymous edits to the talk page of the article in question, rather than the discussion forums, as per Zarchne's suggestion. -- 🔧William Ansley (talk) 12:37, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

In that case let me just ask whether anyone has considered Colette's name as a reference to the sans-culottes aka the french revolutionaries. Fair warning, in modern French the term implies nudity. I don't have a strong opinion myself. 21:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
There is the "'Paris' needs pants! Here!"sequence . Doug Relyea (talk) 21:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
So there is! Colette a besoin des culottes. Could it be they planned her breakthrough scene before they even named her, I wonder? 08:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)