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Veni, vidi, wiki (I came, I saw, I edited).

So yeah, definitely a Shaggy reference. Also, apparently even sparkhounds are largely loyal to whoever feeds them. PhoenixTalion (talk) 04:50, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

One must use only the very best Butter. Doug Relyea (talk) 06:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
In the Patreon post for today's page (which is available to patrons only), Kaja comments:
"Our Good Boy Norville here has been offscreen for ages, but they never did let him go after the fight on the Mopey Tortoise. It turns out that all it took to get him marginally on their side was some good food. He still doesn't like Tarvek, though. Tarvek is more of a cat person."
Norville explicitly states that he is a Knight of the Hunt on this page (panel 4), but Kaja's comment provides Word of God evidence that he is a specific Knight of the Hunt we have seen before, who was captured aboard the Mopey Tortoise some time ago. -- William Ansley (talk) 00:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Of course, the fact that Norville is the captured Knight of the Hunt from the Mopey Tortoise could be deduced without Kaja's confirmation and some people elsewhere online managed to guess Norville's identity correctly immediately after his first appearance in the final panel of Monday's page. -- William Ansley (talk) 12:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I've been wondering how the whole Seffie is into Gil versus Martellus wanting to be storm king even would workout in their head and this knight of the hunt has rather simply laid it out. If there's no Tarvek then Gil can marry Seffie and happily work with Martellus. It seems to us the reader's this would never work, but I suppose if the Von Blitzengaards are rather power hungry maybe they think Gil will not care that much about his personal relationship w Tarvek. Lapointdm (talk) 12:16, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Umm, Tarvek aside, I vaguely recall there was some Agatha person in this comic? Bkharvey (talk) 07:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Just a girl trying to take a man's job . Argadi (talk) 14:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Only because the family so rarely produces girls . Fred1740 (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes, there are currently four male characters who seem to be interested in her one way or another. Example of how "easy" it is to distract Gil, witness Zola's exercise in futility . Fred1740 (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Methinks this is still another clue as to the identity of the other contender for Storm King. (the one that makes Martellus a distant third) In the Paris arc, Andronicus changed the allegiance of a number of the Knights of the Hunt. I think there's more here than Norville being able to call his new boss Wulf. Doug Relyea (talk) 15:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Good point! I think the evidence is really mounting up that Gil is the other option for stormking although the genealogy of how this works is unclear. Tarvek's genaelogy is not clear either since we don't know the detail, but in Girl Genius world it the nobles know the detail so support his claim. I'm thinking that the foreshadowing of a heterodyne gal marrying the stormking pans out (it could be a red herring still) that the signs point more to Gil being the likely stormking ( based on girl genius promotional art usually depects Gil, Tarvek was an add in.. wish I could find the quote on that, and the story seems to be trying to set up Gil with alternative love interests more so than Tarvek to probably enhance the drama. it's unclear to me if that happens in the storyline what the heck will happen to Tarvek. Maybe a tragic death, or a fashion design salon? Only time will tell! Most likely a lot of time... Lapointdm (talk) 16:44, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
I wouldn't write Tarvek off. He is after all, Prince Aaronev VII. (yep, lucky 7.) Doug Relyea (talk) 17:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Yeah! Go, Tarvek! And 2.5 (in-world) years ago, the bookies thought he'd evened the odds with the rescue of the wasp-eaters and ensuing kiss. And that was before Gil's awful statues! Bkharvey (talk) 07:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Like Tarvek, who's claim is thru his mother, I believe Gil's is thru his paternal Grandmother. (The mother of Klaus, Laus and Aus)Doug Relyea (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
In The Novels my constant refrain when it comes to speculation lately we find out that the original landbound Castle Wulfenbach was a part of the same defensive ring around the valley of the Heterodynes as Sturmhalten and the Refuge of Storms (the east, west, and north cardinal points respectively, with the otherwise-unknown Castle Drakken as the fourth and southernmost), which strongly suggests to me that the Wulfenbach family does have ties to the Storm Lords, albeit older and better-hidden ones. They were only a minor baronial house before the Empire after all. The problem, as I see it, is that Klaus and his parents had already broken the rules of traditional nobility long before Klaus returned and established the Pax Transylvania. He was already a resurrected construct by then, having died young along with his two brothers and been stitched back together from the bits by his parents. Probably no one cared that much when Klaus inherited the barony (Lucrezia's belief that he was the last of his family suggests there may simply have been no other claimant to contest it) but the same people who would put any stock in Gil having a hereditary claim to royalty would likely say that Klaus cannot transmit such a claim, since Klaus died before Gil was born, and thus that line would actually follow to whatever distant Wulfenbach relative was the legal heir at the time of Klaus's reassembly.
I'm also on the record as thinking Tarvek's claim is not so much 'through his mother' as 'through the female line', as per Zola the Sturmvoraus-Blitzengaard royal family is typically rife with intermarriage, and his paternal grandmother has obvious material power in the conspiracy. We also don't know the exact nature of Tarvek and/or Martellus's claim, since apparently Andronicus was so prolific with illegitimate children that Valois ancestry is cheap, but a provable legal claim is much harder. That implies to me the existence of some kind of proof that puts their claims head and shoulders above the rest, in the form of evidence that Andronicus either married their ancestress prior to Euphrosynia Heterodyne, or formally legitimized one or more of his bastards prior to his death (which was super common among real-world contemporary French kings). Knowing what the case is there would help with guessing what Gil's potentially might be. Then again, royal succession has always been a case of 'who can politically make it stick' and I've long since become resigned to the fact that I know/care more about this kind of historical minutia than any reasonable person, let alone the Foglios, who run on Rule of Funny and Rule of Cool. Claim is no longer a word. Claim claim claim claim. Clam. PhoenixTalion (talk) 01:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Tarvek's claim was spelled out here , last panel. I suspect your position on Gil's claim might be the basis for Tarvek originally having the higher claim. However, among the Minutia reshuffled into the deck is that Tarvek was regarded as a Fop by most of the other Nobility, and large numbers of the Smoke Knights (including Violetta). Even if the son of Klaus does chew the furniture, and ends up reigning as Neo-Caligula, (Source: Zola) that might be preferable to some over a Fop who is more likely to end up dead in Europa's hour of need. Hence the contention reported by Orotine recently about which was the ascendant line.
My thought is the first possible source of Gil's claim would be his Paternal Grandmother. Deliberate travel by Queens Mirror has been lost for thousands of years, so I doubt anyone on Skifander ever heard of Andronicus. Doug Relyea (talk) 02:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
A claim through Grandmother wouldn't put Tarvek ahead of Tweedle, would it? She's grandmother to both of them. Bkharvey (talk) 07:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
royal succession has always been a case of 'who can politically make it stick' Which is how Martellus is claiming the throne. Fred1740 (talk) 11:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that genealogy is not everything when it comes to claiming the Storm King title. Gil did manage to Call Down the Lightning at one point. Alternatively, it may be that being official Prince of some sovereign country is enough to boost your claim; one of the print-novels notes that at least some of the Fifty Families are of this opinion. And while he probably can't ever rule the place, Gil is a Prince of Skifander. --Geoduck42 (talk) 04:30, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
When Seffie introduced the talk of Gil as candidate Storm King, it didn't seem to be about genealogy at all. It wasn't even clear that anyone was envisioning him wearing the crown; it was just that Grandmother decided that in the absence of both Tarvek and Tweedle, the pragmatic course of action was to continue the de facto rule of Europa by Baron Wulfenbach without him (i.e. Gil) being King of anything. Bkharvey (talk) 07:20, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
P.S. Does anyone other than Zeetha actually know Gil is a Prince of Skifander? (Boris was told to call him "Prince" if he refused "Baron," but I don't think he was told prince of what.) If not, it can't really be the basis for anyone in the 50 families assessing any alleged claim on his part. Bkharvey (talk) 07:27, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I agree that it looked like Grandma (the Dowager Princess of Sturmhalten) was willing to work with Gil as the Baron Wulfenbach of the Wulfenbach Empire, and not as a Storm King candidate. I suspect he is a 'technical' prince of the house represented by the Sigil he first appears with. ( which is at odds with Tarvek mentioning Gil was a nobody growing up on Castle Wulfenbach. ) Doug Relyea (talk) 08:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
The phrase was actually Your Highness . Wiktionary says the term is for a prince or princess, but Wikipedia shows a history of wider use. Argadi (talk) 14:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Off-topic, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Zeetha hasn't figured out that she and Gil are brother and sister. She should have, but that's a whole separate issue. --Geoduck42 (talk) 03:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
"Storm King" was a title created by and for Andronicus Valois. He ruled a united Europa (mostly). Anyone who duplicates that could claim the title - heritage be damned. History has many "rightful claimants" who never sit on the throne they claim. Fred1740 (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Yup. I've been wondering about that ever since panel 6 of this comic. Happy to advise specifically HIM, eh? DLcygnet (talk) 22:16, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

If this is Shaggy, then who or what will be Scooby? The mind reels with horrifying possibilities. Bosda Di'Chi 11:16, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Since Norville is a Knight of the Hunt and has a wolf/dog-like form as well as a human one, he could be Scooby as well as Shaggy (as Zarchne suggested previously). Given the many similarities between the original Shaggy and Scooby, one might say that putting them both in one body is taking the characters to their logical conclusion. (Or, if it was a manga or an anime series, that this is Shaggy/Scooby's true form.) -- William Ansley (talk) 11:59, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Might depend on how this Great Sky Wurm views the Sparkhound form of the Knights of the Hunt.Scooby Snacks? Doug Relyea (talk) 12:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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