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Nice observation about Krosp. (Tweedle's, not Seffie's. I would not call Krosp "darling.") Nice one-eyebrow-up-one-down picture of Tarvek. Geoduck, now that you've heard it speak, do you still think this is that other cat? (I have no opinion; who knows how Tweedle has changed the animal's personality, whoever it is.) Oh, if only there were no such thing as copyright; I would so love for the animal to turn out to be The Brain. Bkharvey (talk) 06:27, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Totally. That's Mrs. Krosp-to-be. A more tentative theory: He swiped some Agatha DNA and included it in the uplifting process, to make the subject more attractive to Krosp and/or have his own version of Agatha's Weasel. --Geoduck42 (talk) 06:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed. I think it's been telegraphed enough that I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't Krosp's counterpart. In his conversation with Martellus, Krosp responds to Martellus' "Charming" comment about the cat by noting that it's not [charming] because "It's as dumb as all the rest." And in a later conversation with Krosp, he lectures Martellus that he's not thinking straight because romance essentially messes with your head. They've also put both of those statements in bold font, which seems like it's emphasizing it. I think Martellus sees that gaining a tie on Krosp gives him a tie to Agatha and is something he can use to advance (presumably) nefarious romantic plots. Solomon Keyes (talk) 15:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not suggesting that this minor point refutes the Mrs.-Krosp thesis, but every time I read this page, I have trouble with the dialog in panel 4. Tweedle: "... that wretched cat." Seffie: "The Lady Heterodyne's Krosp?" This just feels wrong if there's a cat in a cage right next to them. Wouldn't Seffie say "This one here?" Bkharvey (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
I like how there has been significant development of Tweedle. He's clearly not an idiot, has even some desire to learn from his mistakes, but we still see he has issues. In a way its sad he's been growing while Gil and Tarvek seem to be in stasis. I agree that the new creation is most likely empress cat. Having Seffie be her mentor is genius since seffie has a bit too much of the noble haughtiness. Lapointdm (talk) 16:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- I see what you mean about his growth, but feel a need to defend Gil and Tarvek, especially Tarvek, who was literally in stasis for part of the intervening time, and dealing with various kidnappings the rest of the time. But mainly I think that we get very different views of them. We are mainly seeing Gil and Tarvek relaxing; that's what their bickering means. In between times, though, Tarvek is inventing the technology to get Lucrezia out of Agatha, and Gil is running an empire! When in conversation with the nobility in Paris and in England, he's up to date on the affairs of his empire, even though he isn't physically in it. Clearly his spies come and go. By contrast, we are mainly seeing Tweedle either governing or Sparking. If he relaxes (presumably with Seffie) we aren't privy to it. And a lot depends on how honest we think he is about wanting to treat Agatha as an ally. This Mrs.-Krosp business doesn't sound to me like a ruler who has matured. Bkharvey (talk) 06:07, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
The portrait of Tarvek in panel 2 looks as if it is part of a family tree. It would be nice to see the whole thing, or at least a large portion of it. It's not nice to tease your fans, Professors! -- William Ansley (talk) 02:31, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- I was thinking the same, that it's part of a larger picture. Ah well, the Professors have left dangerous clues all over this Epic. Doug Relyea
- That means Tarvek should be Aaronev VII. Now that makes me wonder who is running Sturmhalten. Tarvek has bern gone for two years plus, his sister is a head in a cabinet or a lucrezia clank depending on how you look at it, and his father is dead. It seems unlikely his Grandmother is running the place. Maybe some other relative. Lapointdm (talk) 00:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- In the immediate aftermath of the Battle, the Empire was running Sturmhalten. It's true the Empire has fallen on hard times lately, but I can't imagine Gil would just give that up, given its importance as a hotbed of Otherness. Or have I forgotten something? Bkharvey (talk) 00:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think that's correct, the Wulfenbach Empire was in control. (at least up on the streets, the sewers is likely another story.) IIRC only Tarvek mentions his lands were forfeit while he was trying to kill Zola back in Castle Heterodyne. Gil hasn't said anything yet. Doug Relyea
- Yep, Sturmhalten as a vassal state(?) would be forfeit to the Empire under the Pax Transylvania for harboring devices of the Other, similar to what happened to Beetleburg. Of course, that doesn't really answer the question of who specifically is administering the town. ...Speaking of, do we know who is running Beetleburg now? Lua Aurelia (talk) 00:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- They also could have tattooed a target on his back at birth, while they were at it. PhoenixTalion (talk) 15:41, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- I added Tarvek's full name to his wiki page along with an explanatory note. I added a redirect page for Aaronev Tarvek Sturmvoraus as well. I was tempted to rename Tarvek's page, but decided against it. -- William Ansley (talk) 18:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- I said "It's not nice to tease your fans, Professors!" above, but obviously Phil and Kaja think it's fun to do so. And that's actually fine with me. They should have fun - it's their story. -- William Ansley (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- We don't have a name, but we know she was Selnikov's sister. He's described as Tarvek's uncle/Aaronev Wilhelm's brother-in-law, and we know Lady Margolotta was not Aaronev's sister as she is A. not a Princess, and B. in the novels, described as an adventuress. This would mean Selnikov had just as valid a claim as Tarvek, and since that's never mentioned, and it's implied the Sturmvarous (and von Blitzengard) family trees are so full of cousin marriages that they're practically braids, I suspect when Tarvek says his claim is through his mother, he actually means it's through the female line. Per Gil and Zola, the Storm King had no shortage of royal bastards, and many of the Fifty Families are acknowledged descendants, so I suspect the proof of Tarvek's and Martellus's claims is in the form of evidence that Andronicus Valois, prior to his death, either formally legitimized some of his offspring or had been married to one of their mothers. PhoenixTalion (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- As far a Zarchne's comment goes, I seem to recall hearing that before, but it strikes me a an extremely lame reason to not name Tarvek's mother. If there were ever a story that is bursting at the seams with irrelevant details, Girl Genius is it. -- William Ansley (talk) 19:22, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with Geoduck, in that I also would be surprised if the Foglios have worked out a detailed family tree for Tarvek, or most of the other characters for that matter, at least not one that goes back more than a very few generations. That's the main reason why I called the seeming family tree excerpt a tease. -- William Ansley (talk) 19:22, 11 October 2020 (UTC)