Discussion for comic for 2020-04-15 (Wednesday) ✣ .
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We never get to see her face, but we do get some backstory. -- William Ansley (talk) 04:09, April 15, 2020 (UTC)
- I still think how he met his wife here ✣ was more than Battle-brag to throw Lucrezia in Agatha off-stride. One of those interesting stories. Doug Relyea (talk) 06:14, April 15, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm confused. If we never see her face, who's that in panel 4 that looks like Agatha? Bkharvey (talk) 07:50, April 15, 2020 (UTC)
- The person in the foreground on the right is Ognian, bathing in a stream. Ognian's wife is the head peering out from behind the tree with the popeyes. Doug Relyea (talk) 08:34, April 15, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm talking about the person in front, in the pool. She has Agatha's hair, down to the cowlick. And she definitely look like a she, to me! I get it that Oggie's conversion hasn't quite happened yet, which makes it barely possible that that's he, if he has very big breasts, for a guy. Bkharvey (talk) 00:34, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- The character in the foreground of panel four has to be male (and therefore Oggie) because his nipples are exposed. While Phil has no problem drawing topless and even completely naked women in other works, Girl Genius is supposed to be more or less PG-13 and, in the USA, that means no exposed female nipples. -- William Ansley (talk) 03:46, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- Geez. So, in the US, if you hire a male actor to play Agatha, can he be topless in the movie? (Or, I guess, conversely, if you hire a female to play Gil, can she be topless in the movie?) And, are there really men who have boobs like that? (I guess I'm showing my ignorance of other people's boobs. I do get that strongmen have things that stick out up there, but are they that rounded?) Oggie in this picture really doesn't look like weight lifters I've seen. Whereas he does, to me anyway, look exactly like Agatha. It's going to turn out that he's a Mongfish by-blow or something. Bkharvey (talk) 04:20, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- You have certainly clearly pointed out the absurdity of the American attitude (I am talking about mainstream, Hollywood-style entertainment here; I don't mean to say that this is the universal opinion of all citizens of the USA) toward female nipples, but I stand by my statement. The Foglios are hewing to this standard to make sure their books will be sold as widely as possible. -- William Ansley (talk) 04:49, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- Definite looks like pecs to me, not breasts. And the face is a bit feminine, but I think it's just "bishy." That is surely Oggie. --Mad Latinist (talk) 06:55, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- Two things that really count with or without boobs. Agatha has a distinct large cowlick and waist length hair. Oggie's cowlick is hardly there and his hair is shoulder length. Pre-Jäger Ognian was very good looking. And with all the talk of boobs, in addition to the flowing mane and giant cowlick, Agatha has a set of melons. --Fred1740 (talk) 10:39, April 17, 2020 (UTC)
Ah, yes. The greatest enemy of the jagger: onion-cutting ninjas. Zero One (talk) 06:27, April 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Apparently the Onion-cutting Ninjas became upset with the sighting, and have removed the part of the post describing same. Doug Relyea (talk) 09:59, April 15, 2020 (UTC)
I hope this doesn't end up like Agatha's assistant in Mechanicsburg, who for decades was known only as Assistant. All hail Vidonia Orkalina! Doug Relyea (talk) 10:03, April 15, 2020 (UTC)
I'm sure it's not going to happen, but I'd love to watch Oggie's growth as a single parent of four kids! Bkharvey (talk) 01:35, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- It was proposed over at the Book of Faces, that the 4 standing with Ognian in the last frame were the wife of Number 1 son, Number 1 son, their daughter, and her son. I think it is as BKharvey suggested, all four are Ognian and his wife's children. And daughter number two might be the spitting image of Mom. Doug Relyea (talk) 10:41, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- Allow me to politely disagree that all 4 are Oggie’s children. Assuming Ms.Oggie was 20 when they met (a low estimate given the repeated encounters), plus the ten year interlude, plus another 64 years: she passes at the age of 94 - at the low end. Boy in lower right looks 10, perhaps. Strong conclusion: grandson, not son, because not too many women have kids at age 84 (minimum), and Oggie doesn’t mention mad science intervening. Younger woman (a teen?) is, by the same metric, likely a granddaughter, though harder to tell. Plus two adults, including one that is probably “son”, and one that could be son’s wife or Oggie’s daughter, indeterminate from the image but contextually I’d vote/guess “son’s wife”. Scientician (talk) 16:01, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm going to postulate that the 4 people in the last frame are: Oggie's now 73-year-old son, his granddaughter, his great grand daughter, and his greatgreat grandson who still owes him a great great great grandchild. I'm also going to - sadly - suggest that becoming a full Jaeger renders you sterile. This would also explain why Zeetha and Axel haven't had any "surprises" of their own like Punch and Judy in the interim years. DLcygnet (talk) 22:33, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- @Scientician. It's cool, that we politely disagree. It is supposed to be discussion. We may learn more with the next page.
- @ DLcygnet. It was given in a Reddit interview, and mentioned on the Jaeger page here IIRC, that Jaegers can have children, that they are "human normal" and not automatically Jaegers. It was put forth here ✣ ( 5th frame ) that Zeetha can control her fertility, and is likely waiting until the Skifandarian Ceremonies can be performed that will make her daughter a legitimate heir to the throne of Skifander. Doug Relyea (talk) 23:29, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not wedded to the four-children idea, but I certainly hope that the girl next to the bottom is still a child, since she is missing a tooth and I hope it's a baby tooth. If the top two are a generation earlier, that's good news for Oggie, because it means he had help from his wife in raising the top two, and the top two are in charge of raising the bottom two. Then Oggie gets to be the grandparent who sneaks candy into the kids' hands while the parents aren't looking. :-) Bkharvey (talk) 03:44, April 17, 2020 (UTC)
- @Doug She's talking about her Goddess of Fertility, Ashtara; I wouldn't read that to mean Zeetha can defy traditional biology and get a free pass on unprotected sex. @Bkharvey - Yes, on second look, I agree it would make more sense for the toothless girl to be another kid instead of a clumsy/abused mom. DLcygnet (talk) 04:08, April 17, 2020 (UTC)
Pages like this one, with scads of nameless and/or unidentified characters are tough to create character lists for in the Chronology. I'm not all that satisfied with what I've come up with for this page so far. -- William Ansley (talk) 05:03, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
1) Is Zeetha heir to the throne of Skifander? Will Higgs join her there or will she give up the throne? 2) Will Zeetha ask for Jägerbräu to stay with Higgs? (The two questions are independent.) Argadi (talk) 09:43, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- It's given here ✣ that Zeetha is a heir to the throne of Skifander. It's not clear if she's the only one, however.
- For all her seeming Freebooter ways, she is a staunch Tradionalist. Otherwise why bother with this ✣ .
- Opinion: The trip to Skifander, Zeetha will need to remain. Agatha will grant Axel indefinite leave to remain with Zeetha. (His usefulness as an actual spy is now in serious doubt.) While still useful as the Spymaster, I think Jenka would make an excellent replacement as the Spymaster. We likely have not yet met the replacement 'Spy who always returns'.
- Zeetha has already been given the part that makes her undying like the Jaegers. What's in doubt is if she will become like Mama Gkika, or remain herself like Higgs. Doug Relyea (talk) 11:00, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
- Corellary to my other theory: If Zeetha has been rendered sterile by becoming a Jaeger, then she will likely be ineligible for the throne or need to find a new way to provide an heir. Her brother could always take her place - if he hasn't gone through the same process, that is.
- Higgs might well be given a leave of absence for a honeymoon in Skifander, but I don't agree that his usefulness has ended. Even granting, which I don't, that he can no longer be a field agent, he can still be the organizer of field agents -- like whatzername the torture lady for the Empire. Bkharvey (talk) 03:52, April 17, 2020 (UTC)
...I'd like to point out that in panels 1, 4, and 5, Mrs. Ognian is wearing a fez. I am forced to conclude that up until they left Paris, Oggie was wearing her hat. PhoenixTalion (talk) 21:57, April 16, 2020 (UTC)
Just a couple points here and food for thought. First, since it seems to have been repeated, Jägers are not sterile (Word of God). The Draught does not affect germ plasm. Second, as I have noted before, trying to fit actual time lines to events in this story is an act of futility as the Foglios don't pay any attention to it. Just for a look at our reality, Elisabeth II and Prince Philip are both (yes, both) the great, great grandchildren of Queen Victoria. Philbert is Oggie's great, great grandson. Oggie is, according to the Foglios, between 250 and 300 years old. He met his wife and fathered a son before becoming a Jäger. The Heterodyne pictured is more of a barbarian warlord from a period earlier than 300 years ago. At the very least, trying to match the descendants pictured with a time line for Philbert, doesn't work. Fred1740 (talk) 12:01, April 18, 2020 (UTC)
The End Is Near?[]
Presumably, the current volume will be ending soon since today's page is number 118. In Act 2, the page count of the volumes has ranged from 119 to 122, with most (so far) being 120 pages long. However, the volumes in Act 2 have also been renumbered more than those in Act 1, so even if volume 20 continues on for several more pages, it may not stay that way. -- William Ansley (talk) 04:58, April 16, 2020 (UTC)