Discussion for comic for 2012-02-08 (Wednesday) ✣ . (Chronology Entry)
Wow Phil, you've really let yourself go!
Either this is just some sick excuse for a cameo appearance, or this could be of the utmost and direst of importance. He could hold critical information pertaining to Klaus' whereabouts, interesting. Master 3x3lcior 06:15, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, if you have been following the story, you would know that this is not just a minor event. -- Billy Catringer 06:44, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
Actually I have, the first paragraph was just a side assumption. I know he's lookking for "The Book" that belongs to Masat that holds information on the Storm King. Judging on what Klaus said to him before, I assume it might be of the utmost importance as well. Master 3x3lcior 06:49, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
- I think "The Book" might not actually exist, it was just a crafty way for the Baron to make him seek out Gil. The payload is the story about the giantess and the copper pin, which I guess Gil will be able to interpret. It will be a coded explanation that the Baron is under the control of the Other and instructions for what Gil is to do about it. I further guess that only Gil can interpret it because it alludes to features of his early upbringing. Brrokk 08:45, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Wow...just wow! That actually makes a whole lot of sense Brrokk! I mean, it would be more feasible if Klaus was relaying valuable information pertaining to his current condition and that the so-called "story" was really just a cleverly masked SOS for help. Brilliant, just brilliant.
- As a bonus, I could interpret the story a little just for fun. Alright, Clemethious could be Lucifer Mongfish himself, with the witch daughter; of course, being Lucrezia (or it could be Bill=Agatha, depends on Klaus' overview of things). The King in the story is Klaus himself, who was turned into a wolf and thus, made into Lucrezia's lapdog. The giantess could be Von Pinn who was; as we all know, Gil's (and everyone else's on Castle Wulfenach) nursemaid, of sorts. Gil is the Prince in the story (I mean, come on! The resemblence is uncanny), who would come to Klaus' aid and free him from Lucrezia's grasp, although it could also mean having to kill Klaus in the end. After that, the rest is simple, Gil becomes the new Baron and the new ruling power of Europa.
- What do you think? Pretty good, eh? Although this could also incriminate Tarvek as well, seeing as how he had just as much involvement in the Anevka/Lucrezia clank that was able to subjugate Klaus during the last panel ✣ of that particular page. Master 3x3lcior 08:52, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
So does Tarvek get to sit in on the story? If so what will he say after? 
Rej¿¤¤? 07:30, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
Of course, as always with these things, there is at least one fly in the ointnment. Klaus could not have known that Von Pinn,as he knew her, is dead. Otilia lives. Did Klaus know Von Pinn was Otilia? He apparently knew she hated Lucrezia. But Otilia is Tarvek's "property" as one of the Storm King's Muses. AndyAB99 12:30, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
Knowing Klaus, he might have known (the Otilia part), although there is a possibility that he didn't, but surely Von Pinn didn't make her hatred for Lucrezia a secret (he already knew that she was Klaus Heterodyne's nanny before). All that can be speculated is that Klaus plans to have Gil rescue him from Lucrezia's grasp and if that doesn't work, Gil is left with the ultimatum--kill him with Luzrezia in tow (the copper sword in the story may be referring to some sort of weapon, although exactly what is still subject to debate). It's the only thing Klaus would resort to given his current situation; better to be dead than a reluctant but obedient servant if I do say so myself. Master 3x3lcior 13:05, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, but if the meaning of the story really is "I'm under the control of the witch; kill both of us and rule yourself!", we can expect that Gil won't follow that instruction! Instead, he'll cook up something really sparky. Maybe with Agatha's help (which the Baron wouldn't have wanted him to employ)? Brrokk 16:05, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Copper is a very specific thing, and it's a metal that has no business being in a sword. The copper sword has to mean something -- likely related to Von Pinn or Otilia. Von Pinn obeys Agatha and Lucrezia, however this may be tied to Von Pinn's now-dead body, as Otilia's primary responsibility is to the Storm King, and secondary to Van Rijn. She still carries a nursemaid/guardian duty because of her original nature as the muse of protection. It may be that Klaus is aware of some object or capability Von Pinn has that can be used to either kill or free him. Gil spent plenty of time with her to notice something that he would associate with a copper sword, but we definitely never seen anything recognizable as such, so it must be something not introduced yet.
- Theo's story describes the baron being infected with a wasp, and rescued by Heterodyne Boys. However Tarvek knows that a Spark can not be infected, except by a wasp from the unique engine that even Tarvek does not expect to be duplicated. There is absolutely no reason for Theo to know about a special Spark-infecting wasp, so it may be that Sparks' resistance to wasps is not widely known. No one, outside of Theo's story, ever mentions anything that can cure the wasp infection, so if there is anything Klaus can think of being able to do so, it must be experimental and probably dangerous. That may be why the king dies in the baron's story.
- It can be speculated that copper sword indicates a thermal or, more likely, electric device. No spark seems to be focused on electric devices (fictional version of the elder Mongfish -- his portals are electric?), but Gil made his defense system and carried around the electric stick, that is now in Agatha's hands. Maybe the stick is much older than generators, was passed to Gil from Von Pinn, and can be used to cure or kill revenants? Or maybe manipulating specifically Lucrezia into using the stick is important? To think of it, there are electric-looking portals associated with The Other, stick or generators may be effective against those. 75.61.111.181 17:24, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
- The sword very likely has specific meaning in Klaus' tale. As an aside, a copper sword would still work as a sword and quite well. They are still metal, not rubber. They're just not durable in combat, especially against bronze and definately not against steel. The Egyptians did all their building and carving with copper chisels. They just had to sharpen them frequently. Even a wooden sword can still pierce flesh even if it couldn't even be given an edge. AndyAB99 12:53, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
Of more importance, when Philbert tells his tale to Gil, with Tarvek listening, will Tarvek reveal that the clank princess is actually Lucrezia, not Anevka, and that Klaus has been wasped by the special wasp by Agatha/Lucrezia. As well as how he knows all this. If he does, what will be Gil's reaction? Boris' reaction? AndyAB99 22:21, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
When I saw the Baron telling the story to Philbert, I just automatically assumed that he was operating under the influence of Anevka/Lucrezia, and that this story was intended to throw Gil off rather than pass him a secret message. Perhaps I was too cynical in my first understanding of the situation, and giving too much credit to Lucrezia? But if Lucrezia was not behind the story, then wouldn't she be supremely suspicious of it, considering the source? LittleAlvinMaker 03:15, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
Remember that she thought it was all just a "load of nonsense", so it may be possible that she assumed Klaus was just blabbering plain gibberish, and he clearly stated that it specifically wasn't meant for her. I can tell that the story is for Gil, because he had Philbert take the bait by getting the story/message to Gil with the purpose of procuring "The Book" of Masat which presumably holds a series of stories about the Storm King, which Phil wants very badly. So whether it is just a trap set by Lucrezia for Gil, then all we can do is wait and see. There is almost nothing definite yet so just keep reading.
Plus, the Wolf/King referred to in the story is an obvious play on their last name; Wulfenbach (wolf-in-back). Master 3x3lcior 03:26, February 9, 2012 (UTC)